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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 31 2005, 19:51    Post subject: Skandalai Reply with quote

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Новиков и WADA (реплики из ГостьБук)

Giant quarrel within the Russian orienteering fed.
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[ By Team Alternativet - 2005-07-09 13:27:44 ]

A long-standing conflict within the Russian orienteering federation has degenerated and resulted in a scandal where the world number one orienteer and recent superior champion in the Swedish Elitserien, Valentin Novikov, and his likewise very competitive younger brother Leonid have been excluded from the Russian national team, just before World Games in Germany and WOC in Japan.

Written by: Mattias Eriksson, Lunds OK, Sweden

The official explanation is that the brothers did not submit their required whereabouts reports in time to the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) last winter, and that the Russians therefore, afraid of punishment from the IOF, don’t want to risk allowing them to participate in these competitions. Julia Novikova, who officially committed the same violation, however, will be allowed to participate in WOC. The explanation for that is “a lower risk for punishment if only one runner with WADA violation participates”. There is, however, no support in the rules for such an opinion.

A closer investigation of the case and the rules of IOF clearly shows that no anti-doping rule violation in a formal sense has been committed (see the IOF anti-doping rules, paragraph 5.5.3) since no formal written warnings were sent. On the contrary it is obvious that the responsible person(s) at the Russian orienteering federation (ROF) has made a number of grave mistakes in the dealing with the matter and that a punishment against the ROF could be considered (se paragraph 12.3.3). Some information even indicate that the responsible person(s) in ROF deliberately delayed the whereabouts reports (which according to the rules are supposed to go through the national federation) in order to put the Novikovs in a difficult situation.

After this, pressure was put on Novikov (from ROF) to make him try to misuse the IOF rules and retire (!) temporary and thereby secure his participation in WOC (se paragraph 5.6) after a six months “quarantine” period. Valentin, fortunately, declined to try such a trick. One can easily imagine the doping suspicions such an attempt would have brought.

The background and actual explanation to this scandal is a long-standing conflict within the Russian orienteering establishment where the father and trainer of Leonid and Valentin, Yuri Novikov, has been a very active player in one of the fighting camps. The dominant players in the other camp couldn’t care less if the world number one orienteer was not allowed to participate in WOC, because of their ambitions to reach their personal goals (and punish Yuri).

It is the hope of the author of this article that everyone who reads this and feel that they might have some influence in this issue (national team runners, federation employees and others) take their responsibility and protest strongly against this madness! Otherwise there is a substantial risk that the world number one orienteer won’t be allowed to participate in WOC and that the status of the championships thereby will be considerably undermined.

As a parenthesis it can be mentioned that all members of the Russian national team, including Valentin, Leonid and Julia Novikov, where tested negative for doping during the Russian WOC tests in June.

/Mattias Eriksson Expert on Russia, Lunds OK
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 28 2005, 12:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

jeigu pradetume gilintis i visu federaciju veikla bei atrankas, rastume ne ka mazesniu skandalu, nei pas rusus. po pat savo nosim turim nemaza sudo kruva.
visokios rinktines bei atrankines i jas visada buvo jautrus dalykas, nes visada buna nepatenkintu. taip buvo, taip yra, bet geriau, kad taip nebutu. rasti optimalu varianta yra sunku.
manau, kad visi skandalai prasideda tada, kai pradedama noreti per greit, per daug arba to, kas nepriklauso. panasumo yra, kad rusu atveju, nemaza vaidmeni suvaidino pinigeliai. kitas, ir ko gero dazniausias, atvejis yra tas, kad rinktiniu vadovai nori rezultato cia ir dabar. desperatiskai. bent jau panasus ispudis susidaro paziurejus i Lietuvos rinktine.
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 28 2005, 13:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

susidaro ispudis, kad yra patologiskai bijoma pasisiukslinti pries "tris milijonus, sedincius ir laukiancius rezultato" (cituoju viena is vadovautoju), todel yra daromos visokios nesamones, kabinami makaronai ir imami sportininkai, gerai sustartave kur tik nori, bet ne skelbtose kontrolinese varzybose. ar ne lengviau butu nors viena karta nuvezti tuos zmones, kurie atsirenka, o ne tuos, kurie galbut gales kazka parodyti, nes kazkuriose varzybose bego labai gerai.
ar ne lengviau butu nors viena karta investuoti savo demesi i sportininka, o ne i "triju milijonu" norus?
"reikia noreti begti uz rinktine" (ir vel cituoju viena is vadovautoju).
turiu pripazinti, kad nesinori begti uz rinktine tokiomis salygomis. nesinori vaziuoti i kontrolines, nes nezinau, kiek tos kontrolines itakos mano sansus startuoti pasaulio ar europos ar dar kokiame nors cempe. kam man vaziuot, begt tas kontrolines, jei net man ir atsrinkus (ant popieriaus), mano vieta gali uzimti koks nors jaunimo atstovas, gerai sustartaves jaunimo pasaulio cempe, arba kas nors laimejes, taka, kapa ar dar kokias daugiadienes varzybas, arba siaip kas nors, kas tuo momentu labiau patinka vadovautojams.
skandalai bus tol, kol vieta rinktinej priklausys nuo vadovautoju nuotaiku, o ne nuo rezultatu.
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 28 2005, 17:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pritariu Dainoros nuomonei, kad sistema sukirmyjus. Ar dar ilgai leisimes keliems parazitams ja gadinti Arrow gaila sportininku ir tiek Exclamation
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PostPosted: Wed, Sep 28 2005, 18:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Su trim milijonais truputį perlenkta Wink Taigi, kolkas nelabai kam ir įdomus mūsų sportas, bet logiškai galvojant, kuo geresni bus rezultatai (tai aišku ne iškart pasiekiama), tuo labiau tie milijonai pradės domėtis, ar ne?
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PostPosted: Thu, Sep 29 2005, 08:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

Domejimosi taip staigiai nepakeisi, net pasiekes geru rezultatu. Reikalinga didele propaganda. Ar kuris is orientacininku pradejo labiau dometis pvz. kokiu nors Kyokushin karate, nors rezultatai ten ispudingi.
Ta sukirmijusi sistema tai mes patys, o ne 2 "dedes".
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PostPosted: Thu, Sep 29 2005, 09:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pritariu pastarajai nuomonei, nes net patys sportininkai neturi vieningos nuomonės dėl atrankos ir kiekvienas anklodę stengiasi į savo pusę tempti.
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PostPosted: Thu, Sep 29 2005, 13:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Liuba---> panasumo yra, kad kai kurie musu vadovautojai tiki, kad litovcu pasirodymu laukia trys milijonai.

Svecias---> esme ta, kad 2 "dedes" pasiruose sulist i subine bet kuriam, kiek geresni rezultata parodziusiam sportininkui, spjaudami i visus likusius.

saziningiausia, manau, kad butu padaryt atrankines. startuoji. atsirenki. vaziuoji. ne. tai ne. be jokiu a la treneriu sprendimu, geriausiu jaunimieciu ar dar kokiu nors burtu.
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PostPosted: Fri, Sep 30 2005, 09:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kaip galima spresti naujausio uragano vardas turetu buti Dajnora Laughing Idomu tik kas sugebejo ja sitaip iaudrinti ? Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Fri, Sep 30 2005, 12:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ramunchikas---> jei Jus turite omeny dajnorka, tai ryskiai artejantis spalis sustiprino ir taip ne visai silpnus jo gusius. ir pakolkas atrodo, kad kuo labiau oras sals, tuo labiau uraganas selios.. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, Oct 04 2005, 22:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

pritariu Skyrmai del to, kad visi traukia antklodes i save.
is kitos puses manau, kad dauguma sportininku nori, kad atranka vyktu saziningai. (ar tai siaubingai naivaus idealizmo pozymis?).
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PostPosted: Tue, Oct 04 2005, 22:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

sistema nesukirmyjus, jos tiesiog nera.
kol kas.
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PostPosted: Mon, Oct 10 2005, 21:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chebra, o kas kuria rinktines atrankos kriterijus (be trenerio, pvz..)?
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PostPosted: Mon, Oct 10 2005, 22:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Man atrodo, kad mes, sportininkai, patys esame pasyvus, ir vieninteles bandymo pagerinti situacija formos yra 1-2 zmoniu protestai, kurie musu valdziai atrodo kaip asmeniniai issisokinejimai, neziurint i tai, kad is tikruju taip nera. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Tue, Oct 11 2005, 15:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ieva, Ieva, nenuklysk i pievas.
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